No More 'Um's: Your Guide to Speaking Like a Pro!

Ah, filler words.

We all have our own.

We all hate to use them, and yet we all do.

What am I talking about?

Well, you know, like maybe kind of, I don't know.

Yeah, those things make us sound at times.

If we, you know, like, I don't know, maybe do them all the time, we could sound smarter.

And so today we're going to talk about some actual strategies you can do to practice and make your communication much more effective.

And how do you turn down the pressure on this thing so I can stop freaking out when I say hit it, ladies.

The school of podcasting with Dave Jackson.

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And today we are talking about those dreaded filler words.

Mine is andom, as in I don't know what to say and I'm going to keep talking anyway.

And so I threw this out as a question of the month, which we do once a month here.

And it's one of those things.

The question is, let me bring it on over from my buddy Steve Stewart from the Podcast Editor Academy.

Here's how he worded it.

Hey, Dave.

Hey SOP family.

Steve Stewart from the Podcast Editor Academy at podcasteditoracademy.com where I help podcasters or anybody teach themselves how to be podcast editors if they want to be.

This might sound a little bit self serving, but a question of the month I would love to hear the answers to is what are you doing to train yourself to speak better so you don't have verbal crutches?

The ums, the ahs.

And I'm not only asking this as an editor who has to edit out a bunch of that stuff, but also as a person who gets on podcasts to speak.

When we present ourselves better on interviews, we're perceived better.

The message comes out clearer.

It's always best not to have verbal crutches.

So what are you doing to improve the way that you speak?

Thank you, Steve.

First up, we have the lovely and talented Kim Newlove.

Hey there.

This is Kim Newlove from the Pharmacist's Voice podcast and the Perrysburg Podcast.

There are a number of things that have helped me use fewer filler words or crutch words, however you want to say it, but the number one thing was joining a Toastmasters Club.

I started my first podcast back in December of 2019 and I started visiting a Toastmasters club about two months before that.

I knew I was going to start a podcast and someone that I casually met told me that if I was starting a podcast I should go to a Toastmasters meeting.

The number one thing that I learned when I visited that very first Toastmasters Club meeting was that I used filler words.

They have this person called the ah Master, Ah Master and also a grammarian.

During the meeting, people pay attention to how many filler words you use and how you use grammar, good or bad.

They call you out on interesting turns of phrase or bad grammar.

When I went to my first meeting, I was invited to go up and speak for about two minutes.

They call it table topics.

When I got the evaluation later on about how I did, I didn't realize that I started so many sentences with the word so I had no idea.

I of course use other crutch words.

I used other crutch words on that day, but also currently I use other crutch words.

I am a non discriminating crutch word user apparently.

But the problem is you don't know that you have a problem until someone points it out to you.

Awareness is key Toastmasters helped me with awareness of a problem that I didn't even know I had.

I did not know how distracting crutch words were.

Once I knew there was a problem, once I knew there was room for improvement, I chose to join that Toastmasters club in early 2020.

I visited for probably eight weeks or more until I joined.

I joined that Toastmasters Club because I wanted to become a good podcaster.

Right off the bat.

I wanted people to listen to what I had to say instead of how I said it or how I sounded.

I don't want to sound like I'm using bad grammar.

I don't want to distract people with all of my filler words.

Toastmasters made the biggest difference for me as a podcaster.

That really helped me reduce the number of crutch words or filler words that that I have used throughout all of my solo shows and my interview shows.

My pharmacy related podcast, I have 340 episodes.

My local podcast, I have 105 episodes.

I would say that from October 2019 until today, which is July 25, 2025, I have improved mightily.

Toastmasters is not the only thing that has helped me on my podcasting journey.

When it comes to crutch words or Filler wor.

Other things that have helped me along the way are using outlines and scripts, getting voiceover training, taking improv classes, and editing my own podcasts.

Failure's the best teacher, right?

Without some context, though, I know that all of that list kind of sounds random.

What I'd like to do is just unpack those one at a time.

I mentioned using outlines and scripts.

I use outlines or lists of questions, depending on whether it's a solo show or an interview show.

Of course, I have found that when I prepare well, using well crafted questions that I think of ahead of time or some sort of an outline or a script, the episode just goes better.

More prep equals less editing.

When it comes to my shows, when you feel confident because you know what you're going to say, you use fewer filler words.

You just do.

When it comes to scripts, I don't want you to think that it's necessary to script everything.

I don't script everything.

I don't script every solo show.

But I definitely have an outline.

I really need to think about what I'm going to say before I say it.

And if there's something important like a list, I am going to think about what I want to say and write it out so I have something to fall back on.

Memorization is not a strength of mine.

And when it comes to interview shows, I always read my introduction from a script.

I cannot physically, mentally, whatever, memorize my guests introductions.

I just can't.

I'm not great at memorizing scripts.

I definitely practice the scripts too, before I record, so it ends up sounding like I am confident.

I use fewer filler words when I am confident.

Now, even though I use scripts sometimes, there's still room for spontaneity.

I don't want you to think that if you have a script, you can't go off script.

You totally can.

It's just a matter of preparing.

More preparation means less editing.

Less editing out those filler words later.

That's it for outlines and scripts.

I also mentioned voiceover training.

I am a pharmacist by training, but I also am a medical narrator and an audiobook narrator.

That means that I have worked in the voiceover industry.

In order to work in the voiceover industry, I have trained with coaches.

I've worked with Nancy Wolfson, David Rosenthal, and Debbie Irwin.

And I did my audiobook narration training, my nonfiction audiobook narration training with Shawn Pratt.

Overall, voiceover training has made me a more confident speaker, especially when I'm reading an intro, an outro, or a list.

When I feel confident I use fewer crutch words.

Two other things that have helped me use fewer crutch words are improv training and editing my own work.

Improv class let's talk about that first.

Improv class taught me that it's okay to make mistakes, have fun, and just get out there and play.

If you are a podcaster and you have not tried improv yet, I would highly, highly recommend it.

It's so fun.

How does it reduce crutch words?

I would say that improv helped me overcome some of my perfectionism and it has helped me think on my feet.

There's nothing like your instructor putting you in a scene that you have no idea what's going to happen in and just making it work.

I use fewer crutch words when I feel confident and in control.

With improv, I have learned to feel confident and in control even though I have no idea what's about to happen.

As a podcaster, I have conversations with guests all the time.

I don't always know what they're going to say.

Improv has helped me pivot during conversations and feel more confident in totally unfamiliar territory.

It's also helped me become a better listener and be a more generous podcast host.

We all want to serve our audiences, right?

Knowing how to get the most out of a guest using what I have learned in improv class ultimately has helped me serve my audience better.

I took improv classes to help with my voiceover career, my medical narration career, and the audiobook narration that I do.

But improv has also helped me become a better podcaster and use fewer crutch words.

It's all about confidence.

I also had a ton of fun.

The last thing I mentioned was editing my own podcast episodes.

This is the part where I say failure is the best teacher.

It is frustrating to edit out crutch words, whether it's an interview and I'm editing out my guest's crutch words or or I'm the host and I'm editing out my crutch words.

Or if it's a solo show and I have no one to blame but myself, it can be painful to edit out all of my own ums, so's, you knows, likes, and pregnant pauses.

But it can also be painful to do it for guests.

There's a certain amount of crutch words that I find acceptable from a guest or myself.

In fact, I think leaving a few in makes us all sound human.

But I learn from other people's mistakes.

I learn from my own mistakes.

And I would say that I just give myself 40 lashes with a wet noodle and move on.

I don't like that I use crutch words.

I don't like when I leave them in.

But all you can do is mentally kick yourself and try to do better next time.

Like I said with that toastmasters comment, awareness is key.

I am acutely aware of my crutch words when I edit my own podcast episodes.

And really listening to other people's podcasts and listening to their crutch words, it's kind of like a cautionary tale.

It reminds me, hey, that could be you, so knock it off.

Awareness is key.

Confidence is important.

I think I've said enough.

I am excited to hear all of your responses to Steve's question.

Great question, by the way.

Steve, Listen, I'm still learning.

Just because I've been podcasting since 2019 doesn't mean that I know everything.

Maybe there is something that you can tell me that will help me reduce the number of crutch words that I use as well.

I'm still learning again.

This is Kim Newlove.

I host two podcasts.

The first one that I ever started is called the Pharmacist's Voice podcast.

You can find that at the pharmacistvoice.com we talk about pharmacy topics and careers.

I started that podcast back in December 2019.

And my second podcast, which I started in 2023, is called the Perrysburg Podcast.

You can find that@perrysburgpodcast.com it is a resource for Harrisburg residents.

We talk about what's in Harrysburg and why people like to live here.

That's all I have to say.

Thank you so much for including my Response in the July 2025 question of the Month.

Thanks for all you do for podcasters everywhere, Dave.

And happy podcasting, everyone.

Happy podcasting, Kim.

Thank you so much.

A lot of really great tips in there.

I'll be kind of sharing some tips at the end, but next up, we got to get over to my buddy York.

Hi, Dave.

This is York for, like the question of the month, you know what I'm saying?

And so I'm kind of like here to.

To answer the question now, for the record, that sounds really sloppy.

Who wants to hear all the ums, the likes, the kind of the.

Well, and of course, the dreaded, you know what I'm saying?

So what I do to get rid of all of this, besides editing them out, I take a little bit of a pause.

And in that way, it helps me to overcome those.

So whenever I want to Say the ums and the, you know what I'm saying?

Just a slight pause.

I can say it in my mind, but then you won't hear it in the recording.

So that's the best way, I think, of getting rid of crutch words.

I do audio stories, so my characters, they do the ums and the likes and the dreaded, you know what I'm saying?

And if you want to hear original sci fi stories that adds depth, humor and outside of the dome type of thinking, then listen to welcome to earth stories.

Season eight is coming up soon.

You go to welcome to earthstories.com thanks, Dave.

Thank you, York.

Next up, we got Ralph.

Hey Dave, it's Ralph from the Ask Ralph Media Network.

I've got three shows that's Financially Confident Christian Grit and Growth Business and Just Unleashed Truth Unveiled with Ralph.

So I'm going to encourage everybody to check them out.

But I wanted to take a few minutes and answer your question of the month.

You talked about how to improve your speaking skills.

And this is something that I've been really hyper focused on.

Last couple months.

I really been trying to move away from the script.

I've found myself relying more and more on the script and I felt like a lot of people have said to me, ralph, hey, you're getting onto the script too much.

We really want to listen to you and what you have to say.

Unfortunately, when I start to move away from the script, I start doing more of those fill words.

So one of the tools that I use is I get into descript, do a little bit of my own editing and go look for those fill words.

The other thing I've noticed is when I'm recording now, I feel like I'm going to use the, or the, you know, or some of those fill words.

I just sort of take a pause because what I found, it's a lot simpler to go clean up and edit where there's just a pause.

I can take out those gaps rather than constantly trying to cut those little fill words here and there.

So I just want to encourage everybody that's listening that what works for me, trying to move away from the script.

So if you want to find out more about me, more about the shows, you can go to askralph.com Like I said, I've got a daily show called Financially Confident Christian, just a little 10 minute blurb about how to improve your finances from a Christian perspective.

Then I've got two weekly shows, one of which is a sermon series, a Christian sermon series about how to match today's culture with the truth of scripture.

And the third one is for business owners, specifically small business owners.

And that's how to take your business to the next level.

It's called Grit and Growth Business.

Dave hey, thank you for everything you do, my friend.

And I look forward to next month's Question of the month.

Thank you, Ralph.

And I should have said this at the beginning.

Everybody's websites will be linked in the show notes and I appreciate everybody clearly saying their website there.

For a while people thought I gave out like a prize to the person who said it the fastest.

And it was always like.

And my website is like, okay, great.

I'll I'll be sure to put that in the show notes.

Last but not least, we got Dave.

You would think after four decades in radio, most of that time part of a morning drive show, which is radio's prime time.

You think after four decades I would have had the ah thing figured out.

But no.

Wasn't until four years ago when I started my podcast, Walking Is Fitness.

It's a daily 10 minute podcast to encourage, encourage and motivate others to get out and take a daily walk and to keep it fun.

I record all the episodes while I'm out walking.

So to the listener it sounds like we're walking together, started recording those and listening back and doing some light editing and realized, oh, not only do I not have this AH thing figured out, it's pretty bad.

And recognized that number one, I didn't want to spend really any time editing ahs and ums out of the podcast and it just was not a great listener experience.

Ironically, one of the benchmarks of our morning radio show was something we did called the AH Game.

Listeners would call in for the chance to win a prize and play the game, which was very straightforward.

You speak 20 seconds on a topic that we give you that you're not prepared for, speak 20 seconds without saying either ah or.

Now, most of us in day to day life, we say ahs and ums all the time.

Interestingly, most of the people who played the game one because they did two things, they slowed down what they were saying so their brain wasn't trying to catch up to their mouth and they focused on not saying ah or while at the same time making sense about the topic they were given.

And so I recognize that it'll take a little bit of work, but I can get rid of the ahs and the ums by slowing down, focusing on not saying ah or getting my brain in sync with my mouth.

And I was able to do that and now almost never say ah or.

This also came in handy when I started doing YouTube videos.

These are separate from the podcast, but they promote the podcast.

And my desire was to do a five to eight minute video and not have to do any editing.

I wanted to keep it short, wanted to keep it sweet, wanted to keep it simple.

And so learning how to get rid of the ahs and the UMS has actually helped me with the YouTube videos.

Great question, Dave.

Thanks.

And this was not edited at all.

Thank you, Dave.

And I'll share my tips because I am an machine.

And I'll tell you how I get rid of mine, how I decide which ones stay, which ones go right after this.

The school of podcasting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So one of the things I have found is we have to take our brain off of perfection.

I remember once I was appearing on TV was really cool.

It was my first time.

And I've been on radio before, never been on tv.

And so the way this works, they explain that I have four minutes, they're going to ask me these questions, and my answers must be within four minutes.

And I'm like, okay, so what's kind of weird about this is I ended up almost, almost memorizing my answer and I really didn't like it.

And in a nutshell, I just told myself on the way there, because I kept saying the same answer over and over and over.

Well, it's kind of like this, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, okay, but I forgot to say this.

And then, okay, we're going to do it again.

And da, da, da.

And I was just like, you know what?

I don't think I can say this exactly the same way.

My brain just doesn't work that way.

And I was like, so you have to be okay, that this is not going to be perfect.

And so everything's fine.

Welcome to the show day.

Blah, blah, blah.

They asked me the first question and I'm answering it and I forget exactly what I messed up.

I meant to say magazine, and instead I said newspaper or something, whatever it was.

And I just kept going.

But in my head I'm going, there you go, there's your mistake.

You can quit worrying about being perfect because it's not.

You just messed up.

And so that's one thing you can do.

And I always say for me, I like to take out the low hanging, the ones that are just sitting there going, I dare you to cut me out.

I dare you to make you sound smarter.

And that's why I cut them Out, I think it makes me sound smarter.

But if I say something like, I think it was 230.

Yeah.

I'm not digging out a scalpel to figure out where the ends and the other words, you know, come in.

And so I do a live show.

If you ever want free podcast consulting, just go to ask the podcast coach.com live at 10:30 Eastern Time in the morning.

So bring your cereal.

We're like the new Saturday morning cartoons.

And I have things planned, but we go where the chat room wants to go.

So I am taking a lot of things off the top of my head and that's.

And where things kind of.

And.

Yeah.

And at the end, it's myself and my buddy Jim Collison, and I will run it through descript and I will say remove filler words.

I do not ever say remove all, because that just creates some edits that sound weird.

But I will say remove a.

And remove.

And I think I say remove double words where people.

People say the same thing twice kind of thing, you know, like.

Yeah.

And so that does a pretty decent job, I think, in the last, I don't know, six to eight months I've been doing that.

And when I listen back, I think I've heard one edit that I was like, that wasn't very good, but it has saved me hours of time.

And again, it makes me sound smarter, which is the goal, to present myself in a way that makes you think, hey, that guy seems to know what he's talking about.

And then you meet me in person.

You're like, this guy can't say a sentence without.

Yeah, that's bad.

I once, when I was teaching, a woman I was teaching with, every time she stopped, she would say something else, and then she would stop, and then she would say something like, every time she stopped.

And then once you noticed it, like Kim said, I don't want people paying attention to how I'm saying something.

I want them to pay attention to what I'm saying.

And so one of the things you have to get used to is this.

Yeah.

Whole lot of nothing there.

And just let your brain think, because that's usually what's going on, is you're uncomfortable with blank silence, and all of a sudden, there it is.

And then you come up with what's going on.

So you're making whatever noise while your brain figures out what it's going to say.

Well, just wait for your brain.

And that's really where Kim mentioned improv classes.

I had somebody on years ago and we talked about improv.

And we did some improv, and I was amazed at how fast your brain will work because you're sitting there thinking, I got nothing, I got nothing.

And then the brain goes, here's something, and you let it come out of your mouth.

So.

But if you slow down, that can reduce the number of fillers.

I love the old.

I always call it the seesaw.

For those of you that remember seesaws, yes, more planning equals less editing.

And also practice getting it out of your mouth.

And so this is where, number one, always record your first take, I guess we could call it.

When you're recording it, record the first one and say, I'm going to record this, but I'm not going to use it because it's my first one.

And many times that will be the one you keep, because why?

No pressure.

I'm not keeping it.

But then also, you are practicing getting the words out of your mouth.

And when I speak in front of crowds, like, I'll be speaking at Podcast Movement, I will do that presentation because I'm a little obsessive about this probably 10 to 20 times.

And part of it is not to memorize it, but I really want to know what the next slide is.

And I have found that once I get the main content down and I know what's doing, then my brain will go, hey, you know what?

There's a spot here for a joke.

Oh, you know what?

This could be funny.

Oh, there's.

Here's another great analogy of that.

So I kind of get the.

The content down, and then I let my brain come in and pepper it with analogies and stories and insights and things like that.

But that practice can really help.

And so there are times I live alone that I will just start doing commercials for whatever I'm eating.

So I'm like, all right, two large eggs that I'm going to crack on this ring and break it into the thing that heats it up.

Because I've heard of that ah game before, where you have to talk for 60 seconds is what I heard without saying the word.

And so by doing this and kind of thinking on the fly, it's a fun game.

You get used to it.

And then the other one is, I mentioned this, I think, on my Twitter, a great kind of practice you can do is to go back and listen to an episode from two months ago.

Why two months ago?

Because you are far from it, and you kind of will be listening maybe a little bit through the ears of a new listener.

And sometimes you'll hear things that you didn't notice when you did it.

As always, you know what I'm going to say.

You know it, because I love it.

I say in every episode, I get some feedback because.

And get some feedback from people who will tell you the truth that'll say, did you know you keep repeating yourself?

And then you go, really?

And then stuff like that.

I love that kind of feedback because I can go back and listen and go, I didn't realize I said the same point five times in a row.

So keep that in mind.

Get some feedback.

Be aware of just what your brain.

And that's again, I think kind of part of that practice thing I said.

And like I said, the last one here that I have here in my notes is number one, well, this is actually two things again, more planning equals less editing.

And number two, just don't worry about being perfect, because I know this is hard to believe.

People say, and also.

And this one's like, are you kidding me?

People breathe.

Do not cut out all the breaths unless you're interviewing Mr. Vader.

You know, and every answer is, well, Dave, that's.

Hey, Dave, that's a very good question.

You know, yeah, that.

That.

That I would cut out.

But normal breaths, there are ways you can take them out.

That's where using a tool lock a phonic, which I love for leveling things out.

But if you have a.

A somewhat loud breather, it will boost the breath to be as loud as the words, and then you got a problem.

But realize it doesn't have to be perfect.

So like I said, I keep the ones where I run an um into another word where I have to pull out a scalpel.

That one is staying in.

But if I just go, well, most ums like that one, I would cut out.

Why?

Because I want to sound smarter, and I want my guest to sound smart.

The only time it gets tricky is if you have someone that has a speech.

Oh, what's the word I'm thinking of?

Impediment.

Sounds negative, but they have something.

Maybe they stutter ever so slightly.

And you've gone in because on occasion they'll be like, well, it's.

If you take this and subtract and you cut out this, they might kind of get offended.

They're like, look, that's how I talk.

Like, I know you're making me sound like, I don't have a stutter and I have a stutter.

I embrace my stutter.

Please don't remove my stutter.

So that.

That can be kind of an awkward situation that I've heard Of.

But just, you know, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?

Practice, practice, practice.

And I just did one of my favorites, you know, and I say it so fast, you may not have heard it.

Let's do it again.

Let's go to the tape, shall we?

Dave, you know, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?

You know, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?

Yeah, see, again, that's one that went right into that word.

That's going to stay in there.

And maybe that's one that you just kind of go, yeah, I'm not perfect, but I'll leave it in there.

The school of podcasting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, I'm gonna tiptoe around this one.

I've had a few people ask me about this, so I thought, you know what, let's talk about this at the end of the show.

And that is.

And again, we're not gonna get political here.

I got points that aren't political, but Stephen Colbert show, the Late show, which I loved that show when David Letterman hosted it, going back to the days of NBC and it's been canceled, and everybody's kind of debating, hey, was this politically motivated?

Was it financially motivated?

And I'm like, I got news for you.

I think all late night TV is going to get shook up because that format is not as good as podcasting.

I said many moons ago, I think podcasting is going to beat media at their own game because it is simply they do a pre interview and they're like, hey, a list celebrity.

I understand you just got back from a really expensive exotic vacation that nobody can really relate to, but something wacky happened.

Why don't you tell us about it?

Oh, and it turns out you're in a movie.

You want to set up the clip?

Let's roll the clip.

Thank you.

We'll be back.

Here's five minutes of commercials or maybe three or whatever it is.

It's not really a great interview where on podcasting, these, you know, celebrities are on the show and they're sharing stories and insights, and it's an in depth interview.

And this does not mean that all shows need to be two hours.

But Bernie Sanders was just on Joe Rogan, and he said it's so nice to not have to talk in sound bites.

He says, because when you go on these shows, you're really just again, practicing your sound bites so that people can cut it up into a short and use it on social media and play it on the news.

And I think that format of tell us a story about something we've already talked about before.

So we've, we've taken all the spontaneity out of it.

Even though Jimmy Fallon's gonna laugh like he's never heard it and fall out of his chair, you know, and then we're gonna roll the clip.

And so I think that has come and gone the best at it.

Now I can only say this because I was little, when I was growing up, Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson used to do a 90 minute show.

It wasn't an hour, it was 90 minutes.

And so it was much looser to let people just talk.

And they, they literally was very much like a podcast.

It was just a conversation.

And Johnny was a great listener and he was a great interviewer.

And yes, I'm sure they still did pre interviews, but I think that has sailed that, that format.

And the other thing I heard an interview with Johnny Carson and he was talking about the, the late night, you know, TV shows here in America.

And he made a great point and that was he said people tune in to those shows and there are a couple things there.

You know, they're trying to de stress it's late night, let's calm down.

Something we're gonna watch, let our brain take a break.

And he goes, and when you get either, and it doesn't matter, we're not talking left and right here, but when you go super political and these particular shows are not staying in the middle at all.

And so you are alienating half of your, your audience.

And he said, that's not what I'm here for.

I'm here to entertain them and make them laugh.

And I was like, wow, that's a really good point.

And then I heard somebody else say this, that we used to tune into those late night shows.

And I remember a lot of times you had a really busy day and you didn't catch any of the news and Johnny would come on and say, hey, did you hear what's in the news?

It's going weird wild stuff.

And he'd give you like the top three headlines and then they'd make a joke about it.

So even if you missed the news, you kind of got the top, top headlines from Johnny.

Well, it's 20, 25.

We're getting the top headlines 24, 7 on our phone.

We don't really need a recap because we've probably heard about the, the stupid what's the band Coldplay couple.

I want to know what's going on in Congress that the Coldplay jumbotron story will not go away.

Because when you have a story like that.

Like, are we still talking about that?

It's crazy.

So I don't think that's needed either.

And so I know CBS tried something with a comedian where they brought other comedians on and they did improv and it was not good.

She's funny.

I forget her name.

But the show itself was not good.

Most improv is not good.

I've gone to Second City in Chicago.

This is top of the line improv and improv.

Part of its magic is, wow, that was really good.

And they pulled it right out of their, you know, hat and.

But there are plenty of times when they pull something out of their hat just because, hey, uh, give me some words.

Comb, banana and Ferrari.

Great, now we're going to say something with those three things.

Well, yeah, you did, but it wasn't really funny or entertaining.

So just something to think about again.

I think podcasting is going to just infiltrate mainstream media.

Already has in ways, because like him or not, Joe Rogan, many people have said, had influence in electing a president.

Not cnn, not MSNBC or Fox or any of those ones.

So I think that's one of the reasons we're gonna see late night TV get a bit of a shake up and we can all point our fingers at, well, it's that guy and it's her and that company, and this did that.

Well, in the end, maybe we'll see.

I know Rob Walsh has already said, I want to congratulate Stephen Colbert for becoming a podcaster.

He goes, I want to be the first.

And that's really what he should do.

And that's what I would really like to see.

Because you can't afford a team of 18 comedy writers, although maybe you can when you've been making millions of dollars for years.

I don't know.

We'll see.

Because that's where the, the rubber hits the road when you're doing it like the rest of us with, you know, I'm an army of one.

Speaking of that, I'd like to thank my producer, Dave Jackson, my editor, Dave Jackson, the music supervisor, Dave Jackson, all those guys.

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Class is dismissed.